Wednesday, May 26, 2010

Why Pookie gets no Play… A BougieTale

Yesterday, @CarolynEdgar started discussing Elin Woods' alleged request for $750MM in a divorce from Le Tigre. This sent a bunch of men into apoplectic fits of Twitter rage. Then it was pointed out that for most of them… this wasn't going to be an issue. It was further pointed out that in this day and age when professional women outnumber and out earn men (amongst the African American ranks) chances were that in a lot of divorces, the woman would end up paying the man anyway. This segued into her hilarious rant on why it's a not always a great for an upwardly mobile chick to date Pookie or Ray-Ray:

"Best advice? Um, don't marry Pookie. Don't even let him hit it. Cause if you're living well, dude's gonna show up on yr doorstep w/a bag." "So if you are a high wage earning woman who took Steve Harvey's advice and found yourself a Pookie to marry, and now Pookie's accustomed to your "high-end" lifestyle, be prepared to pay Pookie when things don't work out in the end." A firestorm broke out. I grabbed some popcorn. Then I realized that this could make for a great blogpost: The Perils of Pookie and What's Wrong with Ray Ray... a little over the top so I went a different direction.

But first, let me define a Pookie. Pookie is a man without a lot of ambition, going nowhere slowly. He's just getting by and he's okay with it. He may have potential (he may not) but he is not polished up. He may or may not be a recreational herb user. He may or may not be a purveyor of street pharmaceuticals. He generally drives a hooptie, lives with his mama and is terminally short on cash. His appearance is generally tore up from the floor up and he has mastered Ebonics as a first language. That's Pookie, okay? So don't come at me with "hustle" – Pookie ain't hustlin' unless it's to his mailbox to get a check from the gub'ment, ya feel me. That's the Pookie I'm talking about. No, I'm not hating on Pookie. There's a place for the Pookies of this world. Let's move on…

A BougieTale of WBFDD (What Bougie Folks Don't Do) - Marry Pookie...

I decided to get hands on knowledge. I called a friend of mine out in the Bay Area whose best friend married a Pookie. I wanted to see how that was working out. Yes, literally Pookie. Her best friend (a VP at an internet company in San Jose) Stacey married a guy named Percy who had one branch of his family tree that called him Pookie. Pookie was Stacey's "reparation project" – I'm not joking. She met him in their early 30s. She was a Senior Director, he was parking cars. (NTTAWWT - Not That There's Anything Wrong With That)

They started hanging out and she basically remade him. New teeth, new hair, new clothes, new job. He moved in with a raggedy duffle bag and a pretty new smile (her words, not mine). She paid for him to finish school, cleaned up his credit, took him to church, introduced to him people who knew people. He had evolved from Pookie to Percy. Two years later he proposed. Six years in, two kids later, Pookie started cuttin' a fool. He was rolling out of the house at all hours, missing for unknown reasons, not answering calls, not picking up the kids when it was his turn and yeah – you know where it's going.

She found out (because Pookie was using HER platinum card) that he was wining and dining other women, buying them gifts, taking random broads on vacation! While she's pulling down the six-figures, working, taking care of the kids – he's out spending her money on good times with women he would not have stood a chance with if she hadn't fixed him up. (Can you feel my outrage radiating through the monitor?) Fast forward through the drama and attempted reconciliation and we land in divorce court. Pookie's ass gets an ALLOWANCE, she had to sell the four-bedroom house because it was considered an asset of the marriage and she had to break him off a portion of the bank accounts. He gets to keep the BMW. They are currently battling over her retirement plan. HER retirement plan.

Therein lies the problem of dating Pookie. It's not that we don't appreciate Pookie's potential. But Pookie without a pre-nup is about to waltz off to Sausalito with a new girlfriend, a BMW and an allowance. She's in a two bedroom condo with two kids, the SUV and the credit card bills from Pookie's good times. Does that seem right to you?

This is the side of the story that you don't hear when Steve Harvey and Hill Harper are talking about potential, and giving the brother on the block a shot. Sometimes that shot bites you in the ass. I'm not saying it can't work out and I'm not saying that Pookie on that come up isn't a great thing to see. I'm saying when a woman has to literally re-make a man and mold him up to fit him into her world, it can go wrong. And that ain't right. So miss me with that "you are so judgmental" nonsense I know a few of you are dying to throw my way.

Seriously, BougieLand – I'm asking… does that seem right to you? Does anyone have a story with Upwardly Mobile Girl meets Pookie and it all works out? For that matter, are upwardly mobile guys are checking for round-the-way chick with zero ambition? Pookietta? Thoughts, comments, insights? The floor is yours…

(UPDATE: I was just informed by @sfreynolds that the female equivalent of Pookie is Peaches. I stand corrected)

60 comments:

Inkognegro said...

The Law is pretty clear folks.
Its not for you to like. Its for you to understand and live by.

Unless you feeling all Civilly Disobedient.

In which Case I will alert Juan Williams for Eyes on the Prize III The unhalving of Divorce.

taut_7 said...

a part of me wants to say that if women can do it then men can do the exact same thing. there shouldn't be any double standard but since i'm a prideful man i would never allow this to happen in my life. men who take advantage of women like this are pathetic. as far as me trying to fix up a pookietta i just couldn't do it.

Leon X said...

This is why I don't call any of my male relatives by the nicknames given by my female relatives. Boys with childish nicknames grow up to be men with childish perspectives.

Erica said...

I see Steve Harvey and Hill Harper's point, they are not talking about the Pookie without potential they are talking about the ones with. I guarantee if Stacey had list the attributes of Pookie to Steve and Hill, they would say move on, leave dem drugs alone...

An about something ambitious brother can see if a brother can roll within their circle. I guarantee she missed the signs..I have guy cousins and guy friends, if i am doubtufl about some guy I go to them and say hey..so and so is like this and they will tell me..this is a good guy..or leave him..he's not about much.

Just like us ladies can see when a girl..is all about the $750million setlement...guys can tell when he is out for the allowance and pay day coming his way.

Jason P said...

MAJOR points for using the New Jack City Pookie picture - ha! There is a reason Pookie's stay Pookie. If you try to put a Pookie or a Peaches in the penthouse, bad shit can happen.

Queen of Me said...

This. Right. Here. Until I see Steve or Hill with Peaches on their arm, don't come at me with Pookie. Don't bring Pookie here. I've worked too long and too hard to have some brother with nothing but a duffel bag and a d!ck game jack it up.

Dawn Summers said...

This is the plot of EVERY Tyler Perry movie!! And the moral is always "well at least youse married!" ARRRRGGHHHHHH!

Peter Parker said...

wow...interesting story. I guess between you and Miss Edgar, it would be right for upwardly mobile/bougie women..not to marry Pookie.

i personally don't see how a woman (or a guy, if the situation were flipped) could get 750 million in a divorce. Why stop there though? why not take all his money/assets? lol


i guess the one thing i learned, from this situation, on my end...is to learn to NOT make money.
*Smile*

JaymeC said...

I really would to share some Pookie horror stories from my case files but instead I'll say this: When we look at marriage success rates, commonality of values/ambitions/economic prowess are HUGE indicators for longevity. Put bluntly - Preston from Princeton and Peaches from the Projects have a shot but it's uphill and definitely a harder battle.

I have a Pookie in my family and yes, he is 38 and still living with his Auntie. He worked a real job for one year of his life before some mysterious illness put him on disability. He awaits his check once a month for $1127 and is happy as a pig in slop. He says he is looking for a Sugar Mama. He'll probably find one. And that is Pookie.

Ola said...

LMAO @ Pookietta!

Brneyed1 said...

As someone who learned the hard way (luckily not through a divorce) to leave Pookie at the Carter, I am stomping my feet and shouting "Preach it!"

Ladies, if you can't take Pookie out with you without giving him and Extreme Makeover and a "Street Slang to King's English" translation book, run--don't walk. He ain't worth the headache or heartache (or pocketbook-ache).

OneChele said...

LOL! I need to make T-shirts: Leave Pookie at the Carter! on the front and Save Yo'Self on the back...

ASmith said...

::woosah::

::woosah::

I don't know if I can do this without getting heated.

::woosah::

And let me be clear: It's not the really EFFED up story ending you just shared with the class, Chele. It's that despite this fact, men will continue to act like women are wrong for wanting a man "on par" with them. The Steve Harveys and Hill Harpers will continue to ball off the payment for the books they write encouraging women to go against their better judgement.

I come back to this point every time we talk about anything like this... why don't you just be a better person who is on the lookout for an equally better person? Huh? Why does the state of black love have to hinge on what black women are or aren't doing? Why can't black men and black women JUST ACT RIGHT??

::woosah::

For every successful Pookie to Percy or Peaches to Pamela, there's an opposite story. There is no silver bullet, no panacea, no one-answer to how to do a relationship. Let's just... let's be better. That's all I'm saying. There's nothing at all wrong with meeting someone who just needs a little love and attention to all the right areas, a few intro's here and there and taking them under your wing. But when we advocate that, let's talk about the risks, please. Because there are many and we're remiss everytime we don't talk in REAL LIFE TERMS.

Oh, and I REALLY need Carolyn to write a book on that. Bet'cha ABC and NBC and BET won't let her on a panel, but somebody has to speak the truth.

Veronica said...

So you're telling me, a sister in a VP-ship in SoCal wasn't acquainted with ANY OTHER men who were at or at least close to her socioeconomic level? Does not compute.

Not to change the subject (but I will anyway)... this is why I don't understand the rabid rejection of the ideas of dating men of other ethnicities. Methinks Stacey would have had a lot more success with a man who matched her economic level (no matter which race) than sticking with a brother with "potential." Clearly, just because you have a skin color in common, it doesn't mean you're a compatible match. Also, potential or not, most self-sufficient men would rather jump off the Empire State Building than make their living by leeching off a woman. So I wouldn't qualify Pookie as a man, I'd call him a boy in a grown male's body. It makes me sad that Stacey probably though Pookie was her only option.

Mr. Skyywalker said...

I used to be Pookie. Technically Lukie. My fam had a group "Get Off Yo Ass Or We're Done With You" Intervention and I did something with my lazy ass. Pookie can't be saved by a woman, Pookie has to save himself.

Peter Parker said...

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well...since black men are Pookie...Tyrone...Ike...Tuan...or dating a white girl...how could it not Compute? lol

*this is, of course is assuming that said VP only has a thing for men that share the same hue*

Sarah said...

That's a lot to take in. On my bad days, I have the unhappy thought that it could be the last boyfriend was interested in me because of finances and because quiet person I am he thought he could control me. But it's history and I'm
not one to dwell on the past. He wasn't lazy. He was a crisis person or as I think of it lived his life like a run away train going from one crash to another. And his siblings do the same thing. If he wasn't in a crisis, you can bet at least one of them was. I think it is unfortunate that they live this way, but they are all older than me in their late 40s and early to mid 50s so you know it is unlikely to change. Sometimes you end up in a situation it takes a while to understand. I certainly did go into it thinking I was going to 'change' him. I was just looking for a friend and companion. I wouldn't say either he or his siblings were bad people. I loved him and I liked his siblings, but they live their lives in a way I can't. And this really goes to the point behind your post. Sometimes even with the best of intentions, people are simply incompatible. Nobody should have to apologize or feel bad about it. It just is.

Crystal said...

Wow, when I read this all I could say was WHAT!!!! First, how could a real man be ok with someone basically always paying his way? That turns me off. I am not talking about can I borrow money for gas or your SO shares the bills, meals, dates with you. I am talking about this example, she paid for everything!!!! Second, I do not believe Steve and Hill (especially Hill) were talking about a Pookie when they were saying to give a man with less a chance and be supportive of him. I believe they (again especially Hill) were talking about the man who is not there yet but he's ACTIVELY on his way, i.e. going to school, working a job just to pay the bills while he is on the hunt (and I mean actually hunting for) the first job of his successful career. Maybe he had some setbacks and was not able to graduate medical school at 25 but he is in school now at 30 and on track to finish at 32 and get that residency in radiology and in the mean time he is driving his mom's old car and living in an apt building his parents own (I'm talking about my cousin, so they do exist). Basically what I am saying is that there is a big, BIG difference between Pookie and the man that is not there yet, but getting there, because the man who is getting there does not need you to make him over, he is doing it for himself. HE IS DOING IT FOR HIMSELF!!!! He may not have a nice car or even a car and he may have to eat at Taco Bell every now and again but he is TAKING ACTION IN HIS LIFE, before meeting you, after knowing you or without even knowing you at all (again Hill Harper I am looking at you!!!) Anyway, I am on my own BIG journey towards being a better me so all I can give you is a lot of loving works and encouragement, the occasional home cooked meal complete with my famous peach cobbler and MAYBE 20 bucks for gas. I would give of these things lovingly, willingly, and happily, but the man in my life also has to be on his own journey and TAKING ACTION IN HIS LIFE!!!

Molly said...

*oops* typo... should be 'I certainly didn't' in line 6 instead... completely changes the meaning

Crystal said...

I mean loving words and encouragement.

Brneyed1 said...

Ooooh! Thanks for the idea! I'll give you a cut of the profits!

Max said...

I'm the anomaly here as I'm a Bougie Black woman happily married to a Bougie Black man, but it seems to me that the initial problem is listening to the advice of a comedian with 2 or 3 failed marriages and an actor with an economics degree & a JD that happened to go to the same school as the POTUS. I mean, is Hill even farking married?

I always feel like a unicorn in discussions like this because the assumption is that since I'm married to a non-pookie, I don't have anything to add to the discussion. I find it interesting that everyone is asking Steve Harvey and random cats like friggin Michael Baisden about how to sustain lasting, loving relationships and no one is asking Black folks who are actually doing it.

rickyfontain said...

It is funny to me how every time I see women dismissing Hill Harper's advice about men with potential.......they twist his words and totally miss the point. Please go back to the video. Hill Harper's advice was clearly aimed at men and women in their late teens to early twenties. He was not talking about 32 year old weed smokers. He was talking about ladies choosing a broke guy in law school instead of waiting until you're 30 and the guy is paid and working as a lawyer. His point was too many women don't want a good man when he is 20 and broke and doesn't have a prestegious job. But then when he is 32 , educated and paid, you are all over him. And he likely considers you all gold diggers since he remembers when he was 21 and nobody wanted him.

Hill Harper and Stever Harvey have never advocated dating lazy, jobless, drug addicts. So please stop misrepresenting their advice. There advice is to stick with a brother if he is working, pursuing an education, and treating you right. Stop lookin at his bank account and look at his potential.

If you date a "Pookie" you are stupid no matter what your age is.

rickyfontain said...

It is funny to me how every time I see women dismissing Hill Harper's advice about men with potential.......they twist his words and totally miss the point. Please go back to the video. Hill Harper's advice was clearly aimed at men and women in their late teens to early twenties. He was not talking about 32 year old weed smokers. He was talking about ladies choosing a broke guy in law school instead of waiting until you're 30 and the guy is paid and working as a lawyer. His point was too many women don't want a good man when he is 20 and broke and doesn't have a prestegious job. But then when he is 32 , educated and paid, you are all over him. And he likely considers you all gold diggers since he remembers when he was 21 and nobody wanted him.

Hill Harper and Stever Harvey have never advocated dating lazy, jobless, drug addicts. So please stop misrepresenting their advice. There advice is to stick with a brother if he is working, pursuing an education, and treating you right. Stop lookin at his bank account and look at his potential.

If you date a "Pookie" you are stupid no matter what your age is.

OneChele said...

Sir, I smell some snark. Can't be an implication that I assume all black men are Pookie and/or dating white women... I'm sure that can't be it. Not as long as you've been in Bougieland :-/

Michele said...

I don't want the brother on the block. And I don't want Pookie ... with or without potential. Been there and done that because the truth is if dude comes to you with nothing but potential, once he says all YOU have to offer his incentive for doing better wanes with time. Like I said, been there and done that.

Paul said...

I don't think Steve Harvey and Hill Harper were talkin about deadbeats like that dude, though. That's when common sense has to come in. There a good dudes in the streets that just can't advance, but they would if they ever got the chance. That's who they were referrin to. That dude was a bum and she should have recognized him for what he was. Her fault. She should be able to see that he had that in him... she married'em! Don't let love override your common sense, people.

OneChele said...

This right here. ^^^ Amen.

Andrea M said...

She didn't twist their words and I'm not missing the point. Did you miss OneChele's point? This had nothing to do with the bank account, YOU took it there. Potential is only that, ya'll need to quit waving that potential flag like it's the answer to every thing.

Andrea M said...

So she's damned if she do and damned if she don't, huh? She gave him a shot and it's her fault he took advantage? If she hadn't given him a shot you would have said she over looked his potential because she was "too high-end" - whatever.

rickyfontain said...

No the point is Pookie was never a guy with potential. She talked about fixing his teeth and credit! WTF. Is that potential? The potential to have good teeth and credit. No. You should be looking at his character and then deciding whether, based on his character, he may be the man of your dreams.

Women use the wrong criteria to evaluate potential mates is the whole point. If you used the right criteria you might recognize Barack Obama when he was 25 driving a car with holes in the floor board.

Instead I bet many of you, if you dated a guy with holes in the floor board of his car like Michelle Obama did, you would be on this blog clowing him for not having his car game together.

Oh but Pookie keeps his rims clean. :-)

LikeLena said...

Um yeah... to the other the folks sticking for the "potential" brothers - are you all dating Pookie or Peaches? I dated a Ray-Ray who was turning himself into a Raymond. Know what I found out? Some people are just Ray-Ray and Pookie at heart, even with the polish and paper.

Peter Parker said...

snark? moi?
no ma'am, that's L'eau Par Kenzo...

i know nothing of the Snark Side of the Force....*shines halo*

J B said...

Of course she is acquainted with other men. But are the other men interested? And if so, are they showing it, or playing games about it?

Been there. Am there.

Brown Babe said...

Wow - that was such a simple statement that has definitely got me to thinking.

Carolyn said...

I'm enjoying these comments. I said on Twitter that one reason Pookie gets over while Preston from Princeton often does not, is because Pookie will step up and step to a woman while Preston may not even be interested - or if he is, is being coy about showing his interest. Mr. Skyywalker nailed it - you cannot save anyone. They have to want to save themselves. Having a woman who pays for everything can be emasculating to a man, so while they might take advantage, they will also act out, as the real Pookie did - by using her money to chase and lure other women, who will turn around and blame the wife for being such a controlling b*tch. ASmith: as for the book? Working on it...

ASmith said...

But he wasn't a deadbeat. Deadbeats are turn around-able like that.

To suggest she just made a bad choice a)removes responsibility from what he did and b)suggests her situation is an anamoly.

I agree with Andrea. This is a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.

ASmith said...

::applause::

I told some folks on twitter -- we asked college students and grads about advice for college. Why don't we do that with things like marriage. You wanna get something, talk to people who have it.

Candice said...

This is so funny, but true. lol

rickyfontain said...

I absolutley agree that the Pookie types tend to be more assertive player types. That's why I always tell women they need to approach men more then they do. If you are sitting back waiting for men to approach you first all the time. Chances are you will never meet intelligent, introspective brothers. You will meet the flashy, never lost for words players. Bottom line....you can take what is presented to you or go get what you want.

JB made the comment that men aren't interested, don't show it or are playing games. I laughed cause as a single guy I could pretty much say I feel the same way about females. I mean if you see a guy you like do you tell him he is cute or just whisper to your friend he is cute?

diamond life said...

I'm going to call bull shit (not even shiggity) on your comment. Are you comparing Barack Obama who was Ivy League educated with a raggedy car to POOKIE from the parking lot who didn't have a degree? Ninja, GTFOH with your bitter ass.

Believe me I get where this post is coming from. I'm from the hood, I got the hell out. I was given the name Diamond Chante Jackson from birth and grew up in the hella-hood round B-More... you think I don't know the difference between a Barack and a Pookie.

Chele, let me get up off your blog before I go off. What is it you say - Don't let the Bougie fool you.

MochaDudeSpeaks said...

I'm going to respectfully request that you step your woman game up. Who care whether a woman whispers to her friend? I'm an old married guy and a traditionalist. If you see a woman you like, you approach her. Man = hunter, Woman = gatherer. She says no, onto the next. That's how the game is supposed to be played.

AppleBerryMIA said...

Yes! Bougie girl seven months into dating bougie guy that I met here in BougieLand. So far, so good. Ask me again in 6 months how it's going. But when I need advice, I go to people who have successfully crafted their lives in honorable ways that I can see, not celebs.

rickyfontain said...

Duh???? Did you even comprehend what I wrote. The first thing I said was "Pookie was never a guy with potential." I used Barack as an example of a guy with potential. And specifically said "Pookie was never a guy with potential."

Reading is fundamental.....except in B-more. :-)

Liselle said...

Yeah it is. It really is.

rickyfontain said...

Somehow I'm having visions of you wearing a Stacy Adams suit smoking a black and mild. Lookin like Ving Rhames in Baby Boy. :-) Must be your old school advice.

southernbelle44 said...

This is such a sad story...I really do feel bad for Stacy. I agree that everyone should be given a chance, and some people think pre-nups are your way of asserting that this marriage isn't going to last, but I totally believe in protecting myself! And you may change the outside of the man, but you can't change the inside. A dog is a dog is a dog...no matter what side of the track he comes from.

donell said...

short term lurker...first time poster. im a country boy expat who rather enjoys living abroad in bourghieville.

having done not a single restoration project myself, but having stayed at a holiday inn express last night - seems to me that restoration 101 for any project is to strip down the layers of years of neglect that have built up on the outside...until you get to the core essence of said item for restoration. and it's not until you are observing the core of the object that you can determine if it's rotten at the core and cant be salvaged or restored. or if the core is solid and just needs some tlc and a few coats of paint.

outside-in transformations never ever ever work. it's the phenomenon that explains how someone can win the lottery (or make millions in the music game) - and a couple of years later - be mo broker than before they won the lottery! as granny would say - you can put lipstick on a pig - but it's still gone be just a pig.

oink. oink.

Veronica said...

*tambourine*

rozboy said...

Pookie would have to disappear. Anyone with the name Pookie, no matter how much they have come up, would still know enough shady folks to disappear without implicating you.

But seriously, I don't think men or women should ever try to build up a grown-azz person for mate material. Not a good look.

Mocha Dude Speaks said...

Maybe because your vision is as narrow and uninformed as your opinions displayed here today?

BB Waite said...

Don't make me put my bible down. Chele - did this little boy just liken my Armani-suit wearing husband to some sort of oldhead in the club? Someone get him before I start quoting scripture up in BougieLand.

Page Bartlett said...

We got you Mocha Dude - represent. I hate (hate, hate, hate) when a guy can't walk acoss a room to say hi when he is clearly staring me in my face. You interested? Say something. You waiting on me? You'll wait all night.

tiffanyinhouston said...

I did not mean to LIKE Ricky's comment. The last sentence was unnecessary. An asshole with a smiley face is still an asshole.

felicia369ny@yahoo.com said...

Soul Clap!

Mrs. R said...

Haaaaaaaaaa..girl you know you are not lying. I had a friend that married a guy that didn't have a place to live (at 35) and not one degree (not even GED) and wanted to open up a plasma bank. That was his goal. Yeah, I said it right, a plasma bank. By the time she walked down the aisle with him, he took everything she had. She ended going bankrupt and had to move back in with her mom. It was beyond sad. You cannot raise a grown man nor save one. Seriously. If you find yourself making over someone, run the other way. For the ladies out there, please don't listen to Steve Harvey. He is a comedian. Not a relationship counselor. Good gawd. If you want to live a certain way (be a SAHM, open a business, travel around the world) be realistic. Find someone that is thinking they way you are and that can work with you. If you marry someone who is still talking about being a music producer (about 5 out 8 guys in Atl claim to be laying tracks in the studio) girl run. Just saying.

As for Tiger Woods wife, he married her while she was a nanny. I do not want to hear ppl say she was a model. Um..she wasn't when met her. She was the nanny for another golfer. If Tiger was a caddy, she would have not spoken to him. He didn't sign a prenup, so I have no sympathy for him. Actually I do not feel anything at all for the dude. He acted a fool, cheated, and it is what it is at this point. Does she deserve 750 mil, hell no. Will the judge give it to her, hell yes.

'Tis life.

sunt97 said...

I didn't have a really comment, I was just missing Pookie from "It's your world", from the Tom Joyner Morning Show. God I miss that show.

Peace, Love and Chocolate
Tiffany

Nadette@Eat, Read, Rant! said...

Chele, I LITERALLY just had this argument at a BBQ this sunday! The question was posed by the guy friends of my girl's husband husband if burger king dude, aka Pookie, aka "Calvin's got a job" (cue Dave Chapelle), would get play from me. And my bougie behind said hellz naw, got mad that I was being accused of being some sort of snob because I have standards, and I damn near threw my bougie dog at this fool. Needless to say, it was a heated dicussion, and I really wish I had read this post before hand. I would love to see what he would've said about how "pookie" n dem damn sure don't know how to act when they're given something.

Bookworm said...

Dying over "Street Slang to King's English" translation book!

Troy said...

The one day I actually work and miss out on bougie-time, all hell done broke loose. Damn Pookie, Damn!

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